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LG: Going back a little bit, you were three years old?

AN: Three and a half or four.

LG: Do you have a lot of memories of this time? You're explaining things, but do you still have like a picture of these moments? Do you remember...

AN: Well, as a little kid like that, all you can remember are kid things. One of the things I remember is that I was either four and a half or so, and it was in the summer, I got chicken pox. It was horrible. In these barrack camp buildings, there was no air conditioning, it's hot as hell, the outside temperature in July and August was 115, 118 degrees, I was miserable. And my mother tried to comfort me with towels and things like that to cool me off. I was pusing, oozing, my skin all over the place was just, squeamish with excretions from the skin. And it was incredibly miserable; one can never forget that.

Another less intense memory was in 1945 in April, at school, the announcement that was broadcast for all the students to go to the flagpole in front of the school. What was all this about? It's early morning session. Anyway, we all gathered in front of the flagpole and said the Pledge of Allegiance, and then we were instructed to sing the national anthem, at the end of which, the principal said, "We are doing this to honor the death of Franklin Roosevelt, who died yesterday." So here we are, incarcerated students, honoring or respecting the dude that put us there in the first place. And none of this gelled until much later when I was outside of camp and so on, but I thought that was really kind of something, I won't say it in the right words, but to be instructed [coughs] -- excuse me -- to honor the guy that put us in the camp in the first place. Of course, as students, we didn't know who this guy was. President? So what? [Laughs]

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