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TI: So we're going to start again. But we were just talking off camera a little bit that you were fourteen, almost fifteen, and was that first time you'd ever been on a train?

YS: Yeah, I think so.

TI: And so it must have been... there must have been, although it was a long train ride, it must have been kind of exciting to see the...

YS: Well, we had porters, too. We had, what you call that train that makes breads?

TI: Makes bread?

YS: Bed, beds.

TI: Oh...

YS: Pullman, Pullman.

TI: So you got to actually sleep?

YS: Yeah, we had Pullmans.

TI: So there was enough beds for everyone?

YS: Yeah. The porters and everything.

TI: And a dining car then?

YS: Yeah, I think we had a dining car.

TI: Yeah, for some reason I didn't know that, because that's a lot better than most people.

YS: Yeah, they got just on the day train. Yeah, we had porters, too. It was kind of unusual, I think.

TI: But then they made you keep the blinds down?

YS: Yeah.

TI: But then you probably peeked a little bit, didn't you?

YS: You could, yeah. But you know, you're out there, lay the bed down, they have those... they make a bed, you sleep on the upstairs, too, downstairs.

TI: Kind of like a bunk?

YS: Bunk, yeah. That was quite a thing, because we never...

TI: And so this was really probably your first time really leaving the area.

YS: Yeah, leaving the area.

TI: And you got to see things. So did you explore the train and things like that?

YS: Yeah, we walked around and stuff.

TI: And you got to know the guards a little bit?

YS: Yeah. But like they say, that's the one that said, they're the ones that said, "Keep your blinds down."

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