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AC: Now, you've brought all kinds of things here. Tell me about what you've brought here.

IK: Well, that's one of the things I remember in the letter. Well, you don't want to see this, this is my fifty year anniversary the kids wrote. But this is a national magazine we got into, that's my family.

AC: I want to show that up to the camera here.

IK: No, this is just the boys in our family, okay, and it was in the national magazine Farmland, put out by Farmland. And we went through a lot of trouble just to get this one picture in. And those people, that shed that we went to, they put the onions in there, we went to Debrians over here, and every time we haul onions in there, the foreman over there calls me Hollywood because they thought they were filming a film in there. [Laughs]

AC: What was the story behind the picture? Why was it so difficult?

IK: Difficult to do what?

AC: To shoot the picture.

IK: I don't know. They had to have the lighting just right, because it's inside of a shed, and they had to have all these lights inside there, and they hem hawed around. [Laughs] And so they finally, we said, well, we wanted to get all the boys in the family in there. Every one of 'em's there except that one that's in Las Vegas. These are the pictures of... my hobby is golfing, golfing and fishing. But these are the pictures, I got to golf in the television on the Classics, and my son-in-law had a copying machine dealership. He was a manager, okay, he was a manager, and he worked for the State of Nevada. And they were supplying a copy machine for these tournaments. And so he got two free passes. It usually cost four to five thousand dollars to get in. And so he got me in on it, and this is a Senior Classic I played in. And it shows who the players I played with. And this is the one that I, Las Vegas Invitational Pro, I mean, this is the regular tournament, the tour. But I played at the Desert Inn country club in TPC this summer, and Las Vegas country club, and these are the pros I played with.

AC: Who are the people in the picture?

IK: The first guy I played with was Hallet, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Jim Hallet was the first guy, and the second guy I played with, Steve Pate, and the last day I had to play with, it was a qualifier, he was a qualifier, so I don't remember what his name was. But, I thought, well, nothing else to bring, so I'll bring that. [Laughs] But that was the front page in this newspaper here in town that I got to go play in that. So I was kind of happy about that.

AC: You also have this other magazine here?

IK: Well, this is, my daughter made this, but it's our fiftieth anniversary, and she just wrote a bunch of stuff in here about us. I just brought along this to show my family, this is my family, my kids is all.

AC: That's great.

IK: This is Randy's family, Randy and his wife Janie and Mimi, and that's myself and Grandma. And that's Brady, the oldest one. And this is the other family, is Brady's right here, and that's me, and that's his son Ethan, this is Alex, and this is Megan. This is Grandma, and this is his wife Jeanette. And this is my... this is all the kids, my grandkids that are here, that came, and we took pictures together. This is my daughter, Ellen Joyce, and her son, Kevin. This is my wife, me, and her husband Tom Masterson.

AC: And she's in Los Angeles?

IK: Yes. She works at a golf course. She's a golf course tournament coordinator at Payute. Do you golf?

AC: No.

IK: Well, I was going to say, if you do, just play at Payute. [Laughs] But she's been, a lot of those golf courses, she was at the Anthem over there, and she was at Legacy, and she was at Wild Horse. She worked at all those places, and she finally ended up at [inaudible] and pretty good deal over there. So she draws a lot of people from California, Nihonjin clubs, you know. She likes her work.

AC: Oh, you also have an article here. What's that?

IK: Well, I told you when we started this, they had this written in the Argus, and it's just a story just like I'm telling you right now.

AC: So this is the story of you starting over again after the internment camp?

IK: Yes. It's one of those farm enclosures that they have at the newspaper.

AC: So we've talked about an awful lot of things, you've had a pretty fascinating life. Is there anything that I haven't asked you that you would like to go and talk about?

IK: Not really, I think I'm done.

AC: Anything that you want to add to or revisit that we have talked about, you want to add a little bit more to?

IK: Well, if you haven't been to the Four Rivers Cultural Center here, I wish you'd go see it. I mean, that was one of the best things that happened in this town. Because we have our golf tournaments here, Northwest, and every five years we have a golf tournament here with all the people from Canada to Seattle, Portland, and Spokane, they come here and play in a tournament. But we have to place to assemble afterwards for our awards dinner and things. Now we do. And we have our church conventions every seven years, and we didn't have no place to hold that, and now we do. So it's been a great asset to us.

AC: I think I might have some time tomorrow afternoon maybe to go. One last thing. Looking back over all of your experiences your entire life, what advice would you have to give to your grandchildren and great-grandchildren?

IK: Well, living is tough, but if you work hard, you can -- I've told this to them -- but if you work hard at anything you want to do, you'll make it, is what I say. I don't know. [Laughs] But if you goof off and let the world go by, well, you ain't gonna get nowhere. I'm done.

AC: Thank you so very much for taking the time to speak with us.

IK: No problem.

AC: We really appreciate it.

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