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RP: You mentioned to me that Buddy, Buddy Lund, his folks had a Flying A station at the end of Big Pine?

CT: Yeah, well, his father did. And he worked in it a lot. A lot, a real lot.

RP: And he was one of...

CT: That was a, that was the station right above the high school there. I think it's Flying A isn't it? Maybe not.

RP: Yeah, not anymore.

CT: No, I don't know what it is.

RP: So Buddy went, Buddy was one of your fishing friends?

CT: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

RP: Where did you used to go with him?

CT: Where?

RP: Yeah, where did you go fish with him?

CT: Well, one of the memorable ones was going up to the south fork of the Big Pine. Go up to Willow Lake. And then we started at the Brainard Mountain, Brainard, the creek that, that, there's one creek comes down is muddy, or not muddy, white. And the other one that comes down is clear. So we went up the muddy one for, no, the white one for a while. It wasn't mud, it was just... I don't know why that water was that color. Do you? Like a milky color.

RP: Yeah. Might be the glacial silt.

CT: Maybe. But that's funny, that one, Brainard Lake is where that creek came from. So we went up the other one and Buddy had known of a little lake up there somewhere, so we decided to go and this, this, it wasn't a lake. It was a large pond. Clear as a bell. You could see the bottom and everything. Well, you could in all those lakes then. But we could never see a fish after we looked. So we'd come back. We caught fish up there.

RP: What kind of fish did you have up there?

CT: Well there's golden in Willow, Willow Lake, a few, just a few. We caught a rainbow I think out of the muddy, the colored one. And that's about all. We didn't... oh, we caught... the only way you could catch them, some... not trout, what are the... spotted ones. Come on, come on...

RP: It'll come to you.

CT: Huh?

RP: It'll come to you.

CT: Should come to you too. You're the forest ranger.

RP: [Laughs] It's not a trout though.

CT: No, no.

RP: Bluegill?

CT: No, no, nothin' like that.

RP: Bass?

CT: No Bluegill, bass.

RP: No warm water fish?

CT: It looks like a... what's that?

RP: Is it a striped bass?

CT: No. None of that up there.

RP: [Laughs] Oh, we'll figure it out.

CT: Well anyway, we caught a few. We caught enough fish to bring home. And we did go golden trout up above Bishop, up above, in between Bishop and Big Pine. Up above Shannon Canyon, back in there, way back that far.

RP: Way back.

CT: Yeah.

RP: Did you ever get up into the Coyote area?

CT: That's up by Bishop? No. No, we had enough hiking there. There's enough to go for miles and miles and miles, here on Big Pine. We got up to the small glacier almost. The... and when we went to that Willow Lake that time we had to cross over some ice and snow. And if you just slipped you could see down there forever it looks like. And we didn't. [Laughs]

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