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KP: Okay, so back at, when your family gathered down in Ocean Park to, how did you get from Ocean Park to Manzanar?

GM: Oh, we went by bus. Southern Pacific Railroad (also) had buses in those days and they sent, (...) they had about ten buses or so. And there was a MP in each one.

KP: Yeah, how was that caravan set up? There was an MP in each bus...

GM: Yeah.

KP: And what about...

GM: They had jeeps and army trucks leadin' the way and we just followed them.

KP: And what time did you, what time did your caravan leave?

GM: We were told to assemble at seven o'clock in the morning, so it might've been about an hour later they had everybody on board and all our luggage. Well, we were only supposed to carry, take what we can carry, so it wasn't that much.

KP: Did you know where you were going?

GM: We heard that we were going to Manzanar, but nobody knew where Manzanar was. Except that I had read that there was trout fishing there, so I had a fishing pole that you could break into, oh, about so length, and I dismantled it and stuck my stuff in my suitcase and then I had this pole. And I had a T square I was gonna use, so I carried that with me into camp.

KP: On the trip up, did you, did the caravan stop anywhere?

GM: Yeah, we stopped at Lancaster.

KP: For?

GM: For lunch. We had a boxed lunch, and my father saw a tavern so he made a beeline for it. He thought that was gonna be the last time he'd get a drink, so he had boilermaker, shot and a beer.

KP: That was okay with the MPs?

GM: Oh, MPs, they were watching him so he wouldn't sneak off. They didn't drink, but they watched people.

KP: So one stop in Lancaster?

GM: Yeah. I'd say that was it, as far as I'm, can remember.

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