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RP: You just mentioned the magic word, fishing. You said that your husband used to go out and fish.

AS: Yeah, well, you know they go on this -- there's supposed to be the... what truck was that the... I don't know, farm truck or somethin'. They get in a big truck, so they're all standing there and the guys just raise their foot, so guy's supposed to count it. But I don't know, these people, I think they were from Oklahoma or someplace. They're not... so they go out with them and when they come back they're just not there. They're, they go fishing. But she said she went out there and so when the thing is turning certain way you got to come back under. So anyway, that's what we did. We had some nice trout. But I mean, we went out, though. We used to walk out with the teachers. My sister, when we were with a group with the teachers, so they would walk out and walk out in the desert. What else could, there's nothing else to do. It's a kind of a funny thing.

RP: Your, your sister Mary being a credentialed teacher --

AS: No, Frances.

RP: Oh, I'm sorry, Frances.

AS: Oh, yeah, we went with them usually, but we had, we'd meet with them or go to their barracks -- or not barracks. They lived, they had nice little houses there for them.

RP: For the American teachers.

AS: So we'd associate -- yeah, we just... they knew we're not, we're harmless. I mean, people, the educated ones, they knew enough to, that way.

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RP: Do you recall any of the, the Caucasian teachers that you --

AS: Yeah, I...

RP: Louis Frizzell, do you remember Louis Frizzell?

AS: Yeah, he was... this gal, one thing I knew, Libby Gretch, she was a young gal. I, that name I remember, but Frizzell, I remember, yeah.

RP: You remember Libby, huh?

AS: Yeah, Libby Gretch.

RP: Libby is still alive.

AS: Oh, she is?

RP: Yeah, we talked to her earlier this year.

AS: Oh, yeah, she was really nice. I remember her, my sister, she associated... so anyway, that's what we did. My husband did all kinds of job. He (...) worked as a policeman, and then he kept going out to sugar beet topping and then he was gone, so he was out most of the, most of the time, doing this and that.

RP: When was he a policeman? Was he a policeman when he first came to camp?

AS: Yeah, yeah. I think so. He was, I don't know what they call him, 'cause he was driving the truck around. At least he had a truck to drive around.

Off Camera voice: He was an MP.

AS: Huh?

Off Camera voice: He was an MP.

AS: Yeah, I know. They had a truck to drive around, so it was kind of nice.

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