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KP: Can we get back to the, the "riot" a little bit? 'Cause we've never really talked to anybody who was actually there at the "riot" and watching what was going on.

TM: Oh.

KP: So you said you were about 50 feet away.

TM: Yeah.

KP: And it was dark at that time or...

TM: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

KP: Okay.

RP: Do you remember seeing the, you know, the MPs actually fire into the crowd?

TM: Yeah, yeah.

RP: Uh-huh.

KP: Did you think it was an order that was given to fire or?

TM: Oh, you mean to these soldiers? Oh, I don't know. It was more like a fright, huh? They were scared. I mean, you know, guys are rushing, rushing into you. These, some of these Kibeis are, they were fanatic people.

RP: Were there any shouts of "banzai" or...

TM: [Laughs]

RP: That was one of the reports that...

TM: Oh.

RP: That people "banzaied."

KP: Did you hear that at all?

TM: No. I don't remember that, yeah.

RP: What was the scene like after the shooting?

TM: Oh, after shooting it just broke up, I guess. But I figured, "I better get out of here."

KP: Did you get out of there?

TM: Well, we were way on the side so...

KP: What did you do when the shooting started?

TM: Just watched, yeah. I was away. The soldiers were lined up here and the, the "riot" was here. We were way over here, see so...

KP: Did you see a truck at all? There's talk that there was a truck that was being driven towards the soldiers. Did you see that at all?

TM: No.

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