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RP: Yeah, tell us, you had two siblings, and can you give us the order of age? Was your sister older?

CH: Yes, she was fourteen months older.

RP: And what was her name?

CH: Grace.

RP: Did she have a Japanese name?

CH: Takako. That means "obedient child."

RP: Was she?

CH: Yeah, she was, very much.

RP: And then who was next, you or your brother?

CH: I was next. I'm sure they expected a little boy. [Laughs] And then fourteen months after me was my brother Thomas.

RP: And he had a Japanese name, too?

CH: Kaneo, "money child."

RP: Money child.

CH: You know, making money.

RP: So they really projected some desires and aspirations through the names that they gave the kids. You really had something to live up to, didn't you?

CH: Oh, sure. We don't want to disappoint them, do we?

RP: How did you get "Carol"?

CH: How did I get my name Carol?

RP: Your American name.

CH: Oh, this doctor picked the name. I was born January 25, 1925, so figured even though it's one month after Christmas, Carol would be an appropriate name.

RP: And who did you gravitate more to, your brother or your sister?

CH: Well, we had a lot of differences. My sister always kind of belittled me. But we just loved each other. And I miss her too much. She's gone.

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