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RP: Just to step back a little bit, or forward, you were talking about your family's relocation to Ogden, Utah, and what arrangements that they made.

GI: I don't know how it -- I think my father had a friend that was in Ogden, and so we moved there. And I remember the snow, so we must have moved, like, around September or whatever. And we went through that winter. And then, soon after, I think a relative, my father's cousin, came to get us in a big truck, and we moved back to California.

RP: Was it a farming situation?

GI: When we were in...

RP: When you were in Ogden?

GI: You know, I don't know what my father did. I kind of think he cooked, or maybe he was trying to start a gambling place. That's what I don't know. I don't know how he existed or anything. I never asked anybody.

RP: There was a Japanese community.

GI: There was a Japanese community, yeah. So maybe he was trying to, I don't know what he was doing.

RP: There was also a group of Japanese railroad workers.

GI: Over there?

RP: Working on the Union Pacific.

GI: Yeah, I know there was a big train station there, yeah.

RP: Well, that's a pretty good speculation.

GI: And when we, it's so funny when we moved to Ogden, we lived about a block away from this Farr's Creamery, and we'd go there all the time. And I visited Ogden, and I went, and that Farr's Creamery is still there. I think there are several throughout Ogden.

RP: Do you have any, any vivid memories about that short time in Ogden?

GI: I just always remember how kind everybody was. 'Cause here I thought, "Oh, they're going to just be calling us," but none of that ever happened. And I remember the first movie I saw, it's at the Orpheum or some fancy theater in Ogden, and I saw Meet Me in St. Louis. I always remember that movie because that's the first movie I saw after going out of camp in this beautiful theater. With pretty drapes and things, curtains, I guess. So I had good memories of Ogden, but we didn't live there that long. I think maybe about six months or so.

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