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AL: And you have, they had other children. Who were they and do you remember the years they were born, your brothers?

EO: Near as I can figure out, Dad never spoke too much about it, but I believe he was married in Japan once before. Because I had a half brother whose name was Daiji, who lived in Japan. He visited us when we were in Tacoma a couple of times. So he was married once before and whether he had just one son, Daiji, or another one, the first one, if he had one, is not very clear in my mind. He said he had two, and one of them had died earlier.

AL: How did you spell your brother's name?

EO: Daiji, D-A-I... I think they may have used the word J-I, Daiji, rather than G-I.

AL: Uh-huh. Daiji.

EO: I can't, I can't say for...

AL: Do you know what it translates to?

EO: "Dai" means great, Daiji... ji, guess it could be more than one thing, but I never explored that, researched it enough to be able to say.

AL: What about your Japanese name? Do you know what that translates as?

EO: Toshio, is kind of "firstborn".

AL: Okay.

EO: Toshi, it's age, O, Toshio. I guess firstborn.

AL: Okay, what about your, your younger brothers?

EO: Younger brother is Masayuki, M-A-S-A-Y-U-K-I. He had the English name John. Here's the funny thing about it. You know how Japanese people would say John? They can't say John. Just says "Jo-ne," meaning John. So on their birth certificate it was spelled J-H-O-N-E, see, Jhone. It was John. [Laughs] That's how it was.

AL: And how much younger than you is, is he?

EO: He was born in March 14th of 1927, I believe. So that would make him about a year and a half.

AL: Okay. And your other brother?

EO: The youngest brother was born April 14th of 1928. So there was a span of thirteen month.

AL: And what is his name?

EO: It was Saburo, S-A-B-U-R-O, meaning third-born. And his English name is Sam.

AL: Okay. And you mentioned to me before that you have some other half brothers and we'll talk about them later...

EO: Right.

AL: ...in chronological order.

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