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HF: But then in the meantime we didn't, we didn't... we had very little foot, foot traffic for business, so then they were starting to build houses, so I decided to go out and contact the builders, homeowners that were building the houses to do their landscaping and I managed to get, get some work that way. But at that time there was considerable prejudice, so some of the people would talk to you and others would just turn their back to you. So it wasn't, it wasn't that easy, but I just kept on plugging away and I would manage to get a job here and a job there, and whenever we did a landscape job then you would sell the nursery stock, and then, then you would put in the lawn and etcetera, and that way we were gradually getting on our feet. And I was very fortunate to have a plumber down the street, on Third Street, that was doing sprinkler system for landscaping. So we teamed together and whenever he was on a job figuring the sprinkler system, he would take me along with him to see if I could sell the landscaping there, and I would do the same thing for him; if I was on a job and the job needed a sprinkler system, I would tell him about it.

JA: How old were you by this time?

HF: By this time, I was about twenty... let's see. About twenty-three, because I was married when I was twenty-five in 1938. So I would say about twenty-three, somewhere around there. So, then as we... as we progressed with the landscaping, I was able to -- oh, I shouldn't say I -- we were able to pay off all my father's old debts and we were able to buy the property on Marine Street with the 5 acres, we were able to buy that. And then when that took place, it was... then... Pearl Harbor. So then we had to -- this was in '42 and we had to evacuate, so --

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