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MH: I have two questions. How old were you when you came to Manzanar during that period?

CT: About seventeen, eighteen.

MH: Okay. And my other question is, did you have any interaction with the camp administration?

CT: No, excepting that they let us in because I guess there were no restrictions that would prevent people from visiting the camp. He had to get special... he wrote ahead, Jack, and got special permission and stuff like that. And I had the same reaction, when I used to take the prisoners at the fleet hospital and I'd go in and tell 'em what they're doing and everything, the guys there would have real nasty looks on their faces, you know. They couldn't understand somebody who would talk to the Japanese. But the only way you learn Japanese was to talk to Japanese.

MH: So how long were you here?

CT: Originally when we were here? I honestly can't tell you whether we were just here for one day or we stayed over for another day, because I can't think of where were we if we stayed over. Nothing comes to my mind as to a motel or something like that.

KL: Somewhere I have a picture from Roy Murakami's scrapbook, and it says, "At Independence," and it's the group of you, I don't know if it was lunch or if it was a hotel. And sadly, we will have to look at it off camera, because I thought it was in this book together. Oh, you know what? It's right here. I had it handy, and then I lost it. But this is the picture that looks interesting.

CT: Oh. Yeah, there's Jack and there's me there. Yeah, I don't have this picture. I'd like to get a copy of this.

KL: Sure.

CT: You said you'd give me a package.

KL: And these are the pictures that I found of, like here's Jack with the dog and the mountains, and these look like baby goats. I don't know if people were raising goats at Manzanar, or if this was in Independence.

CT: I don't recall anything about goats. Here's some of the girls doing judo.

KL: But you have no memories of Independence or Lone Pine, really.

CT: No.

KL: And here's this other person that I thought was interesting, his name is Cho Sa something, and it says, "Korean." And this is at Manzanar, right?

CT: Yeah, that's a group I had nothing to do with. Yeah, I'm in these pictures here. There should be another woman. I don't recognize her.

KL: Is she Tish? I think it says Tish.

CT: Tish? Oh, that's his wife.

KL: Jack's wife?

CT: Jack's wife. That's why I didn't recognize her.

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