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KL: So you were born 1920.

MU: 1920.

KL: What are some of your earliest memories?

MU: Earliest memories? Helping parents work in the field. We had --

KL: When did you start doing that?

MU: Probably around first grade.

KL: What was your, how did you help?

MU: We picked grapes, we helped turn it, we had to turn it so the back side would dry some.

KL: Turn the bunches?

MU: The trays were about this size, and there would be two of us, one on one end and the other person, and we would flip it. We'd go flipping all the trays down the row, so that the bottom side would dry, too.

KL: You have other siblings, too. Tell, would you tell me their names in the order that you were born?

MU: Okay. I'm the oldest, and then next is Toshihiro, T-O-S-H-I-H-R, H-I-R-O, Toshi, H-I-R-O, Toshihiro. And then next is --

KL: When was Toshihiro born?

MU: 1921.

KL: Okay.

MU: And then Yuriko, Y-U-R-I-K-O, Lily. She's the one that got the both Japanese and American name. Yuri is, in English is lily.

KL: So she got both. She was Yuriko Yuriko, or Lily.

MU: She was born in '23, and then Katsumi, I think he was probably about two years younger than Lily. And then Aiko, she's a sister, and then Saburo, and then how many years later, six years later, the youngest brother, Tokio. We called him Timothy.

KL: When was Timothy born, the youngest?

MU: Well, war broke out and we had to evacuate, I was carrying him, so -- he was an invalid -- he was about four. So...

KL: About 1936. Did all of your siblings help on the farm?

MU: Yeah, the older ones did.

KL: Did you have certain tasks that you each did? Or what was your, you said you helped flip the grapes.

MU: We helped pick grapes. A lot of people say cut, but we picked grapes, although it had to be cut. The younger ones didn't help that much.

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