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KL: We were talking about Rosalie Gould. Do you remember her talking about Jamie Vogel ever?

DW: No. In fact, I think that must have happened kind of coinciding, but they became friends when that was outside my age group, and so Barbara and I, yeah.

KL: Rosalie says, or said, I guess, that she came to Rohwer in 1949, and she said no one really talked about the camps then. And she became mayor of McGehee, right?

DW: I learned that later from Barbara. Now, that said Rosalie came to Rohwer?

KL: In 1949. So maybe she just means the area.

WJ: She was there before that.

KL: Oh, really?

WJ: She was there when the camp was active.

DW: Rosalie?

WJ: Yeah.

DW: I'm trying to remember if maybe I met her when I was on my visits back and forth after Rohwer.

WJ: Well, that might have been possible, too.

DW: That makes sense. That's why I never had any real conversations, I just met her.

KL: I'm not sure which article it was.

DW: Because she had been married to Joe Jr. when we were in the camp...

WJ: How did she know Jamie Vogel?

KL: I don't know. Maybe Jamie Vogel hung around Rohwer? I mean, I guess you didn't know her, so maybe she was still --

DW: Well, Rohwer was not a place you hang around. McGehee maybe.

WJ: She may have stayed in McGehee.

DW: She might have stayed in McGehee.

WJ: Yeah. Because she willed her collection to Rosalie.

DW: To Rosalie, yeah, they became very close, obviously.

WJ: They were like, from everything I've read --

DW: Hey, now, I know how we can find out a little more, too, you can interview Barbara Gould. [Laughs] Because she, almost most of our visiting was like you and Joe, we left the camp to go visit rather than them coming to camp very often.

WJ: Maybe they were night and noon, I don't know if we ever spent a night -- we didn't have any place to...

DW: Yeah, we didn't have much room, but it seemed like Barbara spent the night once, maybe one of the dance nights.

WJ: You had --

DW: Oh, I had a room by myself, yes.

WJ: Jim and I would have been, it was crowded enough with just he and I, you put three in there...

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