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KL: How else did your barrack change to accommodate an infant?

HF: Well, I don't know where we got this bed, but we had this, like a day bed that was used as a sofa. Somebody must have left it when they left camp, could be, you know. So we used it as a chair, as a sofa, and then aside from that, it didn't change that much. We had a crib.

KL: Is that where he slept?

HF: That's where he slept. I don't know where we got the crib, somebody must have gave it to us. People moving in and out of camp.

KL: Did you and Fred do the same thing that your family had done with the division of space, or what was your, interior of your apartment like that you shared with your husband and baby?

HF: Like I said, it was this half wall, and then the bed here, and then the sofa was here, then the crib was here. So there was much more room, of course.

KL: Where was the heater in that apartment?

HF: It must have been in the corner someplace.

KL: And you said that half wall was something an earlier resident constructed?

HF: Right.

KL: It was hard and fast, part of the permanent part?

HF: Yeah, I thought that was neat.

KL: You said you didn't spend much time in Block 22 in the apartment.

HF: Because there was no room.

KL: Did that change in 34? Was it a place you spent more time in?

HF: Yes, uh-huh.

KL: Did you guys entertain ever in your apartment, did you have friends over?

HF: No.

KL: Where did social life happen for you in Manzanar? You mentioned you played board games?

HF: Oh, before I was married, they had this little, one barrack in Block, must have been in Block 22, where they had games and we learned how to jitterbug and all that. And then later on, they had movies, they put up a white sheet, I think. And then outside, we would have movies every so often, and we would sit out there and watch the movies.

KL: Did a lot of people come to that?

HF: Yes.

KL: What did you sit on when you watched the movies?

HF: We sat on the ground unless you took your own chair. You could take your own.

KL: Some of the kids, people who were kids have told me they would go early in the day and dig out a spot and kind of reserve it with a blanket or something.

HF: Something. We just went at night.

KL: Do you remember any particular films or previews or anything?

HF: No, I don't.

KL: What other places do you remember in Manzanar that you spent time?

HF: You know, they had a... let's see. They grew pears in the orchard, and they made a park over there. We used to walk to the park a lot, and it was cooler over there.

KL: Who was "we"? Who did you go with?

HF: My sister. Most of the time I went with my sister everywhere.

KL: Yeah, I wish I could have seen that park. What was it like? You said it was cooler.

HF: It was cooler, and lot of trees, so it was really nice. And then there must have been a pond or something there. Is that all gone?

KL: No, it's there. We've actually been excavating it. In the pond is a big rock, and a couple other rocks that are shaped like of like a turtle, and there's a waterfall in a part of it. So, yeah, it's still there. It looks very different, though, I've seen videos of it in the '40s.

HF: Oh, I'm sure.

KL: And the plants are mostly gone. Do you remember flowers being there?

HF: No. My brother worked in the vegetable garden, and I know he would catch fish sometime.

KL: Oh, in the plots?

HF: Yeah. They would block off something and then the fish would come. I don't know what kind of fish, but I think he brought some home.

KL: How'd they taste?

HF: Good.

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