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FA: Okay. Fair Play Committee. Frank was telling us how you guys got together in Kubota's apartment to write the bulletins. Do you remember that?

SH: Well, sure. I mean, those were written, all those are written because Frank Emi and Paul Nakadate are the, they were the nucleus top. He was the publish, and he was publisher, and then Paul Nakadate was the emcee. And in other words, he's, not every meeting he comes, and he listened to all sides of a argument. At that meeting it's always different. This issue was brought up and this was, this and this.

FA: Tell me about sitting down to write those bulletins.

SH: That was, that was over the meeting and what they have said. He takes the notes down, then he makes the... what do you call, the news report or what you want to call it. And it was distributed that way. So, in other words...

FA: Who took the notes? Frank or Paul?

SH: All of them. And everybody's involved, you know.

FA: Then you get together afterwards, and write them out?

SH: You put them out, then they say that's what the meeting said. And this is the way we will publish it. And then, I don't know. That so-called newspaper was very powerful. They went all those other camp, too.

FA: The bulletins, you mean.

SH: Bulletin. And then, even one newspaper I think it was. What was it? Denver Post. Denver somebody.

FA: The Rocky Shimpo?

SH: Rocky... what's his name?

FA: James Omura.

SH: Yeah. He got involved in it, too.

FA: Tell me about who... did you read the Rocky Shimpo in camp?

SH: Well, when people give it to me, I read it. But he was strictly, he's strictly on the Constitution side. He never, he would never tell you to do this or do that, huh? "Let's call 'em as we see it." You know, that's his view, I think it was. "This is what I see."

FA: How, did you, how did you feel about him saying that?

SH: Well, it's a fact. The father and mother and childrens are in camp, and their sons are out there, in Italy, front, isn't it? He said that's what it is, so what, you know. That's how it went. Because you're the... this is a very ticklish issue. You can't, you can't say this or that, you know. You're...

FA: I want to ask about the bulletins again, Sam. Do you remember the bulletin, "One for All, All for One"?

SH: Yeah.

FA: Do you remember any part that you helped write, or any part that you contributed?

SH: That was the key. That's what we got stuck with the conspiracy, you're talking about. [Laughs] Yeah, I think that was, that's where the conspiracy coming in. [Interruption] Yeah, that is the key. I mean, that's what the people wanted at the time. "One for all, all for one." So we, he worded it, said, "We refuse." There that's when the federal government kind of stepped in and said this is a conspiracy to overthrow government, all that crap.

FA: Do you remember that conversation you and Paul and the others had about that key phrase, "We hereby refuse"?

SH: Yeah, that was divided. It was divided.

FA: How --

SH: But the majority win. I mean, majority was for it.

FA: How was it divided, Sam?

SH: Huh? Oh, it was, it was among, among the steering committee it was close. [Inaudible] were neutral, but it was, it was a margin that we shall publish it because that was the wish of the people.

FA: Where did you stand on that?

SH: Huh?

FA: Where did you stand?

SH: I said I go with, I go with the opinion of the, of the people. The congregation, or whatever they called it.

FA: And then Nakadate added the phrase.

SH: No, yeah.

FA: And again, the last phrase, "Under the present conditions we hereby refuse," and Nakadate --

SH: Yeah, true, true. There were a lot of those things brought up. But there were a lot of -- if you have to take the whole, whole, whole articles, you had to put 'em together how it come about. Otherwise it's pretty hard to just take a segment says this. Where did it come, it says to that conclusion? And there were many, many meetings held, and many at different locations. Never at one place. But we had quite a bit of support. That I can say.

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