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FA: You go to Heart Mountain. What was your first contact, your first awareness of the Fair Play Committee in camp?

SH: Oh, that was, I mean, we were, there were many, many group that were protesting individually. And I think Frank Emi's the one got a call, called, got all together instead of having too many places and too many organization saying the same thing. How about pulling, get together, and combine this all talk together. That's when, and then I think Mr. Yamamoto was, he was, I think he's the one with originally the word "Fair Play."

FA: Mr. Okamoto.

SH: Okamoto.

FA: Kiyoshi Okamoto.

SH: Kiyoshi. He's the one, I think. He was really against it. He should, he, he had a lotta article written, huh?

FA: I never met Kiyoshi Okamoto.

SH: Yeah?

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FA: So, I never met Kiyoshi Okamoto. We're not sure if we have a good picture of him.

SH: Well, he's a very peaceful man. But he, he was mostly interested in the government should compensate us for this, this unconstitutional act. That's what we stated in one, you know, one statement.

FA: Yeah.

SH: That was his philosophy, and he believed in it.

FA: What was your impression of Kiyoshi Okamoto when you first met him?

SH: Well, he was normal. He was just like a professor, you know. Some people might call him, call him, he's on the other side of the line, or this side of the line. Genius, or the other side. Because he did write and he'd always write about the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution. If you want to believe him, okay, if you don't want to believe him, so be it. See? But he is so motivated. We should be compensated for this illegal camp.

FA: What kind of personality did he have?

SH: Well, he is, he didn't have very many friends. But he kept everything to himself, but when it come to this issue, he is very vocal.

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