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FA: When the talk of the evacuation started coming around, were you, have any contact with the JACL?

SH: No, never did, because their philosophy and mine, I did not, it didn't, it just didn't gel together. Because I believe that we are the citizen, we have the right, and we don't have to compromise with anybody.

FA: They were talking about the time about cooperating.

SH: Cooperating as is, you know, complying with their, huh? And I had no idea, I like to be heard. It always has been in my mind. Everybody has got a right to be heard.

FA: But you were, that put you at odds with the rest of the --

SH: That's right. That's when the trouble begin. [Laughs]

FA: Tell me about it.

SH: Well, that's the way it is, you know. Because I'm strict and on the Constitution, huh? And anybody talked against it, huh? You know which side of fence I am. So we never gelled together. So you know, that's when, that's when all the friction started. But I always felt that we should have a day in court. But then you know, then the JACL had a different stance. Well, after this president proclamation, then nobody, that's final. That's the rule, isn't it?

FA: Right. So your family reported to the --

SH: Yeah.

FA: And then, so the lieutenants had to come.

SH: And then one of my brother volunteered, went up to the Northern California, where the first camp started. What was that?

FA: Manzanar?

SH: Manzanar, to build the, the buildings.

FA: Oh, what was his name?

SH: Min. Yeah, Min Horino, yeah. He was there. He went, he said, "Well, no use because we all gonna be, gonna be moved."

FA: What did he think of your protest?

SH: Well, he was against it. He was for, but he didn't, he thought it was, it's unconstitutional. And he tried to see if he can, to see if he can get some kind of trial, or be heard.

FA: So, so you had to be carried out of your house.

SH: [Laughs] Yeah, that's, both he laughed and I laughed. I said, "Oh, put me down." The lieutenant, two of 'em. [Laughs]

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