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FA: No JACL bringing problems up?

SH: Oh, I don't bother with them.

FA: But did they give you any trouble after the war?

SH: They tried, but that was once.

FA: What did they do?

SH: I told the guy, told him to get the hell off my property.

FA: What did they do?

SH: Huh? They come up there and they said, "You should have a little more public relations. Try to get along. Try to make a good impression, Japanese people with, relation with the American people."

FA: This was after the war?

SH: Yeah.

FA: But who came to your door?

SH: I don't know. And...

FA: Who?

SH: I don't know. He said, JACL, they said. But to me, when they came with that approach, I said, "I want you to get the hell out of here." That was my first... or else, huh?

FA: I don't understand what they wanted you to do.

SH: Oh, they wanted me to be the... well, that's what they told me. That's one incident that I remembered, and that's it. And my impression was anytime they talk about the, from JACL, I'm not too cooperative with him. I'm a little hostile.

FA: Why?

SH: Huh?

FA: Why?

SH: Well, they compromise too much. My past, my past experience with them. They want to try keeping it peaceful. "Well, let's give a little, give a little." You don't have to compromise yourself. Right is right and wrong is wrong. You're better off that way. You start compromising, before you know it, you're gonna be compromising everything you do. Before you know it, you

don't know what you said.

FA: When you were in the Cheyenne jail, or Laramie jail, Cody jail, did Min Yasui or Joe Grant Masaoka come talk to you?

SH: Nope.

FA: Anybody try and talk you out of it?

SH: Nope. I think that, I think the, I think all those people remember I'm very hostile against the JACL. Just once, that's it, just like I mentioned, and I just didn't give any grounds at all. I just told them, "Get the hell out of my ground." They left, too.

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