Densho Digital Repository
Emi Kuboyama, Office of Redress Administration (ORA) Oral History Project Collection
Title: Alice Kale Interview
Narrator: Alice Kale
Interviewer: Emi Kuboyama
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Date: September 12, 2019
Densho ID: ddr-densho-1020-8-6

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EK: Could you talk a little bit about your day-to-day work when you were doing research? What did a day like that look like?

AK: Well, we started from ground zero, we started reading Personal Justice Denied and went from there. And for me, it involved reading all day every day, everything that was available. Like the DeWitt report was invaluable, it was yea big, and I read every bit of it, most of it more than once. Because the Army was doing what the Army does, and they were being very precise and had tons and tons and tons of very specific information. But then you'd get into the Archives, and one thing would lead to another, and you'd see people in a slightly different circumstance, and then try to follow any thread you have, whether this was an issue with the Defense Department for a period of time, and it might have been covered in memos and so forth and so on, or some other agency might have a series of records that would be of some use. So if you like to read, and I do, it was a ton of fun. It was really, really, really interesting.

EK: Are there any others whose contributions that you'd like to mention that you might not have already mentioned?

AK: Oh, my gosh. Well, Joanne did a fabulous job running this rather unwieldy thing. I think what made it a little different is everyone who was there wanted to be there. We didn't have people... and we had mostly new hires. And so they were there because they wanted to be part of the program, makes all the difference in the world. No one was sitting there bored, no one was sitting there with a jaded attitude, it was really, really, really nice, and very, very unusual.

EK: Do you have any other final thoughts or stories that you'd like to share?

AK: One thing I remember from my trip to Crystal City. Crystal City, Texas, is right near the border, and it's a very poor town. I got there and I asked directions, how many blocks was this courthouse I was going to. And this guy looked at me like I'm crazy, "What are you talking, blocks? It's that way, that way." And there weren't really any blocks, it was just a paved road, lots of dirt, there was this little courthouse. And they were very, very nice to me. They do close down shop completely for lunch, locked the door, turn out the lights. But while I was there, this guy from the newspaper came over, and he had been there when the camp was there. And his attitude was a little bit different because in his view, the people in the camp were living a lot better than the people in Crystal City, Texas, at the time. Of course, the people in Crystal City were walking around free, they weren't in camp. But I imagine they probably were.

EK: Thank you, Alice.

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