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TI: Yeah, I want to go back and talk a little bit about your brothers, your siblings. So can you tell me the birth order of your brothers and the names of your brothers?

JK: Yeah, well, my older brother was born December the 11th, 1911.

TI: And his name?

JK: His name is Joe. And my younger brother was born January the 15th, 1916. Now, I remember...

TI: And I'm sorry, his name is?

JK: His name is Tatsuo. But later, his name is Tom. They changed his name to Tom later.

TI: And so you were in the middle.

JK: I was in the middle, yeah.

TI: Between Joe and Tatsuo. So I kind of wanted to go back to your early childhood. And so what sort of town do you remember the most growing up?

JK: Well, when my, this is a, rather a unique story in that when I was two years old, I remember my father took, took me and Joe and we -- this is January the 15th, 1916 -- and he took us across the field and sat us on the banks of the main highway through the town of Layton. And we sat there, and I looked back to see where my father had taken us, and I saw a horse and buggy drive up to the house. And I thought, well, that maybe he had some special conferences with this, this man. And then while we were there, a man, farmer, drove by in his horse and wagon, and he threw us out some parcels, little. And Joe and I picked them up, and they were all paper-wrapped taffy. And we thought, "Well, it must be taffy left over from Christmas or New Years." But we, and that was the first, our first experience with eating candy, and we thought that was great at the time. Well, a short time later, I saw the horse and buggy leave the house where we were staying. It was just a one-room shed where we were living at the time, and so, and it was cold, and we got back to the house where it was a little warmer, and I heard the cry of a little baby. And that's when my father introduced us to our younger brother Tom.

TI: Oh, interesting. So your father took the two boys out while your mother was having the third. And so the person coming, was that a midwife, or was that a...

JK: No, the doctor that, there was a doctor in Layton at the time. I think Joe and I were delivered by midwives, but Tom was delivered by a regular doctor.

TI: And so the doctor gave you candy? He was the one who dropped off the...

JK: No, no, he didn't drop, some farmer came along in the interim, while he was delivering the baby, I guess.

TI: That's amazing that you could remember that.

JK: Well, I remember that when I was two years old.

TI: So that must have been one of your first memories of...

JK: Yeah, it was.

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