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RD: Tell me what you remember about the trip to Santa Anita.

KS: I don't remember anything other than getting on the bus, sitting in the bus watching things go by and looking out the window. And then when we reached Santa Anita, I don't remember anything at all about what happened after we got off the bus. That's all a blank. All I remember is our barrack was the first barrack from the fence, and we had one of the rooms.

RD: Were you scared?

KS: No.

RD: Tell me you weren't.

KS: No, I was not scared. I remember the room, a rickety one-by-six or one-by-twelve, the floor and the walls were rickety and there were spaces in between that we had to plug up with newspaper to have a little privacy so we couldn't look through the cracks into the room of our neighbor.

RD: Okay, so now, and then, because we talked all about us in Santa Anita, so you were there for a few months?

KS: Yes, we were there for four months.

RD: And then how did you find out about what was gonna happen with Heart Mountain? Did you have any idea that that wasn't where you were gonna stay, did you know you were gonna be moved somewhere?

KS: I had no idea that we were going to leave Santa Anita. All I knew was that my mother said we're moving, we were told to move, rather, and of course, we all packed up our things into our one suitcase we had. And I don't remember how we were transported from Santa Anita to the train station. I don't remember that at all. All I remember is being in the train for approximately three days, I think.

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KS: I don't remember what we ate. I don't remember what we were fed. I draw a blank there.

RD: Now I know that they had all the shades down, right?

KS: No, I remember looking out. Yeah, probably peeked. [Laughs]

RD: Did you know anything about Wyoming?

KS: No, because I had no idea that's where we were going.

RD: That's what I wanted you to say, the day you left for Heart Mountain you didn't have any idea?

KS: I had no idea when we were going to leave and where we were going.

RD: And that still didn't scare you?

KS: No, because my mama was in charge, and listened to what Mama did. She told me what to do and when to do it, and I obeyed.

RD: Were there guards on the train?

KS: I don't remember.

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