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TI: You talked a lot about the Ravens and the McClurgs. Why do you think they were different? I mean, here you talked about good people, bad people, but what was it about them that made them so special?

RN: I don't know. They were... I don't know. The McClurgs and the Ravens, they knew my in-laws forever, since they were farming. So they were very close with them.

TI: So do you think it might have been the relationship between the families, that long relationship, so they knew each other really well, and then it was through that that they stayed loyal to the family?

RN: Yeah.

KN: Did you ever exchange food with the McClurgs and Ravens?

RN: I used to take some lunch over there, uh-huh.

KN: Remember Irving used to always bring us walnuts?

TI: I think it's really special, because I've interviewed lots of people. And it's not that common that there were times when Japanese families felt they were close to someone, but when the war happened, it was very difficult, because sometimes those families turned their backs to them.

RN: Yeah. Not the McClurgs or the Ravens. They were really good to us. They took care of a lot of things. Like that Raven, we left all our jewelries and, you know, cigar box, and everything was there when we came back.

TI: Well, it says... it may say something, well, it does say something to me about maybe the character of the Nakagawa clan, too, that they felt so loyal to them.

RN: Yeah, uh-huh.

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