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TI: So I want to switch gears here a little bit, so I want to ask, so how did you meet your wife?

LW: Well, I knew her from the camp. And we were, I mean, not close, but I knew her. I knew... that's about all. Maybe she knew me for basketball or something like that. But she's from Riverside in Sacramento, out in the country. So we went on a date, and I proposed and that was it.

TI: So you first met in camp, but when did you start dating?

LW: Oh, after... oh, after ten years, after I came to Sacramento. Because I wasn't home, I was in Walnut Grove. So I used to go see her once a week. Because that town, there was, a family was farming in Florin and they get foggy out there. So if I don't want to go, I make some kind of excuse that I can't make it.

TI: And so you got married in the, what, late '50s then?

LW: Yeah, '58.

TI: 1958. And did you have any children?

LW: Yeah, two daughters.

TI: And what are the names of your daughters?

LW: What?

TI: The names of your daughters?

LW: Joanne Epstein, and she married a Jewish boy, Epstein. And they live in Escondido. Because she went to school in San Diego State, and then they met the husband there, so they settled in. They like San Diego, so they didn't come back. Then they got two granddaughters.

TI: And then your other daughter?

LW: In Hayward. But she moved to Castro Valley in Hayward.

TI: And her name is, the second daughter?

LW: Julie Lefler. That's another Caucasian. L-E-F-L-E-R.

TI: Good.

LW: They got two daughters.

TI: So you have four grandchildren.

LW: Four grand, no sons. Kind of disappointed, you know.

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