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ES: This is back to my flower garden again, in the second year flower garden. That's my father there, think he's holding a snapdragon. That's the asters. Now, you see the butterflies flying now? That's why the youngsters enjoyed the nature study classes. 'Cause nowhere else in the camp, unless there's flowers, these butterflies and bees would come.

WH: Who's that woman?

ES: That's my mother, in back.

[Interruption]

ES: This is one of the Scout, Boy Scout leaders, he is from Sacramento. Very capable man leading different community activities. These are the youngsters. One of the boys, Hirose boys, I understand, he is a professor in Santa Clara Valley. I forgot whether he was in Stanford or [inaudible] college. This is showing zinnias and marigolds. There are some, purple ones are the asters. These are the neighborhood kids, they're gathered together. Gathered together one afternoon with Phil Matsumura's father. Phil Matsumura's father was a leader in this community. There's our barrack again.

I believe this is baseball.

WH: Did Heart Mountain have a team?

ES: Yes, they had a team, but they were not able to play outside team because they were not able to go outside of the camp. But I understand in the third year, they were able to play with a few of the high schools nearby. So the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts were able to play in the outside camp, and they became quite famous in that area.

This shows Heart Mountain right down one of the alleys.

WH: Sometimes the exposure is dark. Can you tell us why?

ES: Well, I had no access to a light meter. It was all truly a guess.

Well, Heart Mountain is very barren country, but when you see flowers and things growing, it's very interesting how it grows.

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