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BF: I had, I had one question from -- and we have to start wrapping up here -- but regarding the lesson, the lesson you gave us in the panel about framing the issue.

GU: Right.

BF: And framing the issue to get support.

GU: Right.

BF: And I, I really enjoyed that. And you mentioned how redress was part of the anti-abortion cause.

GU: Yeah. [Laughs]

BF: Could you tell me a little bit about that?

GU: Well, it became part of the anti-abortion movement because Pat Swindle, whom we needed, felt very strongly that two classes of people should have constitutional rights, namely Japanese Americans who were incarcerated during World War II and unborn fetuses. So he's saying, "Now that we've done this for Japanese Americans, we ought to do the next step is for unborn fetuses." And he, he made that argument in a floor speech during the debate on our bill and you, as I said, you can look it up, that's exactly what he said and I'm very happy that he feels that way.

BF: Now, did you frame the issue for him that way? Or he just...

GU: No, he thought that up all by himself.

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