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AI: Now, do you recall about when it was that you left Pinedale and were taken?

RT: Yes, it was about the end of July, someplace toward the end of July, and I don't even remember how we got shipped up to -- I think it was trains -- up to Tule Lake and that must have been... yeah, toward the end of July, first part of August, that we got moved. I'm sure there are dates that could be looked up, and we'd find out for sure, but that I know is during the summer. Yeah, of '42.

AI: And then in Tule Lake, what kind of living condition did you have there?

RT: Well, it was just another camp. There were barracks upon barracks. The only difference was it was much larger, because they brought in from other camps besides Pinedale. So, it was quite a big camp. And for us, as Bellevue people, we got stuck way out on the little... it was sort of a separated block, and I think we used to call it Little Alaska or something like that, because it was separated and it was, we, more or less, many of our community members were all in one block. But the only difference was that in Pinedale, the sand was light-colored and in Tule Lake the sand was dark. [Laughs] I remember that. And that's because, of course, Tule Lake is volcanic, volcanic sand, and that was the main difference. But otherwise it was camp. Yeah, just bigger.

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