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DG: Well, is there anything that we forgot that you'd like to add?

NS: Not unless it's down there. [Laughs] Well, I think there have been a lot of good people in my life that's been influential and that I certainly have had a very good life -- and I've enjoyed myself, too, at the same time. So I'm very satisfied with what I've done.

DG: One last comment; looking over your life as I know it from what you tell me, you've gone through a lot of ups and downs, really highs and really lows.

NS: Uh-huh.

DG: And what would you say about that, for instance, the death of your son?

NS: Yes. Well, I think in every life there's a certain amount of real lows and real highs and that we tend to remember more highs than we do lows, which is natural, I guess. And so we might as well remember our highs and be grateful for the highs that we have had. Does that answer your question?

DG: Well, I think some people dwell on their lows, but I think you dwell on your highs.

NS: Well, why draw on the lows? I mean there's nothing gained by drawing on lows, and there's nothing, I'm afraid there is nothing you can do about the lows, whereas in the highs you can feel better. And that makes a lot of difference as to...

DG: Well, don't you think you created your own highs?

NS: Probably, but I think everybody does. Some people enjoy being low, I guess, and some people enjoy their misfortunes, I guess; but I don't think they're very happy people. And I think that if you have to be content with yourself that it's more helpful to be optimistic rather than pessimistic.

DG: Well, I've really enjoyed our talk. Thank you so much.

NS: You're welcome. It was nice to talk with you and share my experiences.

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