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FS: My second son, Bill, just back from Africa, South Africa, on a what? On a...

EG: Safari?

FS: Safari. He and his son, my grandson, went a couple of months ago to southeast Africa. My grandson hunting with a camera only. I expect to get some of his pictures pretty soon, but my son had a license to kill an elephant and a rhino. Well, this is his third trophy trip, and his office has fifteen or twenty mounted heads of animals, but he never killed an elephant or a rhino. He killed a hippo, but he didn't want the hippo head. He killed the hippo only to get meat, bait, to attract a leopard, and so he has a leopard mounted in the round. Most of the other trophies are simply heads or rugs. I argue with him, and don't approve of killing just for trophies. And I told him an elephant is a very intelligent animal, got more brains than some people and a better memory than most people, and I wouldn't in any way feel justified in killing one. But the local people, Botswana people, would be glad to have all the elephants killed because it's almost impossible to raise a crop of corn without the elephants trampling it down. But the rhino is a much more rare animal, and I don't know how he got a license to kill a rhino.

The rhino horn is worth its weight in gold in China, and he said he sold it on the spot in Africa; but he's bringing home, to his home in Jackson, Wyoming, the elephant ivories. I talked with him last night on the telephone, and asked him if he got home with his ivory and he said, "No. It'll take a while." So I don't know. He has to get permission, I think, to even have it. The only place you can sell elephant ivory is in Hong Kong, and he's not, he doesn't want to sell his.

EG: Well, I'm not surprised that you say you didn't approve of his hunting. I didn't think you would.

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