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DG: Now, one of the things that we were talking about, again, is about your renunciation and being segregated. So what, when did this happen?

SS: This must have happened in April of '43. And, like I told you that...

DG: Were you isolated from that point, when...?

SS: Not, not in Jerome. But I think it was in August or September, when they transferred or segregated us and put all the people who were considered "no-no", to go to Tule Lake.

DG: Were you worried about going to Tule Lake?

SS: Again, I was angry with my dad, because I thought I should be able to go to college or whatever. But my dad didn't want the family separated.

DG: Oh, once again.

SS: Once again. And since I was hospitalized after we got there, he told me that he just didn't think that I should be going out alone. So we all went to Tule.

DG: Otherwise, you would have gone out and done something else.

SS: If I was able to, but being classified "no-no", I couldn't go out, I couldn't go out.

DG: Were there a number of you that were in this classification? Did you know who the others were?

SS: No, not really. Not until we got on the train. Because those were the days like I told you, you really didn't ask someone, "What did you answer?"

DG: You must have thought that somebody might be unhappy with you, because you... said, refused to answer...

SS: Well, hmmm, those who answered "yes, yes" of course... kept away. And somehow, I guess, those who knew that they can go out, were "yes, yes"; we just presume.

DG: And you had school to finish, I suppose.

SS: Right, 'cause I had to go to the summer session to make up for missing school, so much.

DG: Now, let's get on then to Tule Lake. So you went with a trainload of people again?

SS: Trainload of people.

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