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AI: And then you were in Pinedale for several months, was it?

CN: Yes. I can't remember. I think we left Pinedale to go to Tule Lake. I think it was in August or September, but while we were there in Pinedale we took, some of the older Niseis taught classes. So we went to learn how to embroider and drawing and also flower arrangements using not flowers, but whatever we could find. So, so we all kept busy.

AI: So even in these strange circumstances, you had some community activity that the community itself...

CN: Yes, yes. The older Niseis were very careful to make sure that we didn't spend time idling around. Oh, I learned how to play -- it wasn't canasta -- pinochle and also learned how to shuffle cards like a pro. [Laughs]

AI: Well, do you remember very much about when you found out that you would be moving on to the other camp, the next camp?

CN: I don't remember that. And I really, I'm sure that we...

AI: Or the trip itself, memories about the trip itself?

CN: No. Isn't that funny? I don't remember the trip itself at all.

AI: Kind of blanked out...

CN: I do remember about Pinedale, but not from Pinedale to Tule Lake, not at all.

AI: And then arriving in Tule Lake or some initial impressions?

CN: Uh-uh. I don't remember.

AI: Not much?

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