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HN: I think a lot of people kind of expressed that, too. I think this whole experience is pretty intense and the walking tour is kind of a nice... it's physical for one, it gets away, and it just, it was just a great day. It was just so beautiful up there.

YN: Okay, I think he's ready.

HN: Oh. What was I saying before? [Laughs]

KN: It's amazing when you look at the plan of the whole camp, and you can't quite figure out the scale of how big this thing is -- 18,000 people, which is a small city. But when you get up on top of the mountain, and you can see the valley, and you can sort of visualize how many barracks that was, then you see the enormity of the size of this thing. Then it becomes real. When you look at a map, it's not very real, or when you see the black and white photographs, and you only see a couple of barracks, you can't see the depth of how big this thing was.

YN: And your mother walked all the time across from one end to the other end, and the reason why I did that many times, too, is -- oh, because of my work for one thing, too. The other reason is because the Tacoma people who came from Pinedale were the last big people to come into Tule Lake, and so they had filled in the inside first and only the outside was open. And so the Tacoma people were split between the Alaska, where we were, and the other end, which we called South America. And I had friends of course, in the South America area. So I naturally walked back and forth there. So that's the whole length of the barracks. [Gestures to Kenichi] And after you were born, I had a buggy, and I buggied him all the way across, back and forth many, many times. Can you imagine me doing that now?

KN: [Pauses] Sure. [Laughs]

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