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DH: So then after you got off the ferry, you were put on a train on Alaskan Way viaduct, and I think Walt Woodward said in his interview that the overpass was just jammed with people watching.

KN: Jammed with people, just -- I don't know how many feet deep, but it was just full of people.

DH: And then you took a train ride. What was the train like?

KN: Well, the train ride was okay, but at one point, did we run out of water or something?

IN: No, I don't know.

DH: You said you were wearing your overcoat and the windows were up.

KN: Overcoat and my suit, windows were blacked out just like that so we couldn't even see where we were going. We couldn't see enjoy the view or anything.

DH: How long were you on the train?

KN: Well, we left on March 30th and arrived in Manzanar April first, April Fool's Day. That's a joke, isn't it.

DH: It is. You told me that your heart sank when you saw where you were going.

KN: I know. After we transferred from the train to the bus because train couldn't go no further, and we were riding along and I'm looking way out yonder and I could just see the buildings. I didn't know they were barracks, buildings, and fellows working without their shirt on, and you could just see the heat wave. And I looked out and then I said to somebody that was sitting next to me, I (said), "Boy, am I glad I don't live in a place like that." But as we kept going, that's where we went into.

DH: That's where you were headed.

KN: Yes. And my heart just sank. It just felt --

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