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PW: So I have several, a few more closing questions. This is a personal family question. I know that you have three daughters. Tell me their names and the order of birth.

RO: Okay. Amy is the oldest.

PW: And she was born in...

RO: She was born in Europe, Munich. And Piet is next, the middle daughter, and Miye.

PW: And Piet and Miye were both born in Fresno?

RO: Piet was born in Oakdale and Miye was born here. But Oakdale is that one year that I taught there.

PW: And what do your three daughters do now? What are their occupations?

RO: Well, Amy is a professor at USC in art history, and Piet is kind of an individual contractor for training horses, equestrian riders and so on, she's been doing that. Plus the fact that she got an MFA up at the Art Institute at one point, and she just got into the horse business, and that pretty much over. But she's now back painting again, she's, yeah, a good painter. And Miye works for PayPal, she's become a big deal for PayPal. But she's been all over. She started out in the Bay Area, different places.

PW: And Piet has a role in the running of this space here that we're in now? Well, we're your gallery right now, but right next door there's the Downtown Art Gallery. Can you explain Piet's role in that?

RO: Well, when the other partner decided that she wanted to sell her space, because it's all based on an art-related contract where you can't start a garage or whatever, we acquired the funds and energy and whatever is necessary to then take over that space. The only stipulation we have is that they have, on a monthly basis, once a month, that you do something as an art-related activity, whether it be a gallery or performance and so on. So that's what they've done, and they've taken that over to completely revive the area, just made a difference.

PW: So they participate monthly in the Art Hop that you helped start?

RO: Uh-huh.

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