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BY: So I don't know anything about Maryknoll. So it was a missionary school, sounds like almost all of the students and people who went to the church were Japanese. Were there any... and you said later there were Filipinos, but were there any white people who went there or any other?

MI: No. Because right by Maryknoll was Immaculate. The Caucasians went to Immaculate. But after eighth grade, like the Takisaki family, they went to Immaculate for high school. And we lived downtown, and so we went to Broadway.

BY: Hirabayashi, I mean, Hannah's family went to Immaculate. So I'm just, geographically, it seems like was sort of this hub of Catholicism, is that right? I mean, because Seattle University was right there.

MI: But we didn't have much to do with Seattle U.

BY: I'm just wondering, though, geographically.

TI: Yeah, geographically you had Immaculate, you had O'Dea, you had Maryknoll, which is kind of the site of where Providence Hospital...

MI: Yeah, right there, right across the street.

TI: Which was also Catholic back then.

BY: So it seems like there was definitely some...

TI: Yeah, so there was a very strong, what we call the archdiocese.

MI: And then after the war, lot of people went to St. Mary's, which is on the other side of Jackson Street.

TI: Right, and St. James Cathedral was...

MI: Well, James Cathedral was more downtown.

TI: Downtown, but it's relatively not that far away, but it's maybe half a mile away or so.

BY: So it's interesting that there is sort of this Catholic enclave right next to Japantown and that whole area.

TI: Right. Well, and your point about how you had Maryknoll, but close by you had Immaculate. So it's almost like a form of segregation.

MI: Because I had to go to Immaculate for my four months of senior class.

TI: Right, when you came back after the war.

MI: We were the first family to come back to Seattle, and that was because Father Tibesar got a job for us with the Bishop of Seattle.

TI: Yeah, so we're going to go into that after the war.

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