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BY: And so can you tell us the names of your siblings? Like from the oldest to the youngest and about either when they were born or what was the age difference between them and you?

DR: Okay. Marion was the oldest and she was born in January of '40. And then myself...

BY: '40?

DR: 1940. And then myself in '41, and Eugene in June of '42. Then Michael was, I think, a couple years after Eugene, and then my baby sister was born a couple years after that.

BY: So she had those babies, bing, bing, bing, bing.

DR: Yeah, she was a busy lady. [Laughs]

BY: Wow.

DR: Anyway, I want to just, as an aside, my mother had my sister first, and then I was born. And they said, "Well, two girls, maybe we should have a boy." So they tried and they got Eugene, right? And then they thought, "Well, he should have a brother." [Laughs] And so then my brother was born. And they decided that four was not a good number, you know, four is a bad symbol, right, in Japanese? And so they decided to have one more, so there was Kathy. [Laughs] I don't know if that's a true story, but that's the story we tell.

BY: That's a good story. Anything else prewar? Because she was born right before.

DR: Right there.

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