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TI: Okay. So let's talk about leaving Tule Lake. Where did you go after, where did the family go? So at this point, it would be your father, your grandmother, you, and your two younger siblings, Tsukiyo and Tom, right? So where did the five of you go after?

TW: Well, as I mentioned before, we couldn't go back to the farm because he no longer had it and we had no home. So when we'd first come back, there was a Reverend Andrews, and I guess he was a minister for the Japanese Baptist Church. He helped us by finding a place, and he had a friend, Mrs. McCullough, that had the big house in Seattle. We stayed there for about two weeks with them until Dad could find a place. And then we settled in Seattle.

TI: And before going to Seattle after Tule Lake, did the family know of Reverend Andrews? How did they get connected with Reverend Andrews at the Japanese Baptist Church?

TW: I think we got, he would visit Tule Lake.

TI: Oh, see, I didn't know that. I always think of Reverend Andrews' connection to Minidoka, because had what was called the "Blue Bus," that he would go back and forth between Seattle and Minidoka a lot. So this is interesting.

TW: I wasn't aware, but I know he visited Tule Lake once or twice that I know. So we knew where our help would be when we got out of camp, since we didn't have a place to go to.

TI: So Reverend Andrews was kind of providing a connection to Seattle, that he had this network of people that could help Japanese families. And came down to Tule Lake probably to let people know or connect with some of the local, or the local people.

TW: Local people, yeah.

TI: Oh, that's interesting, I didn't know that. I'm glad you shared that. I interviewed Reverend Andrews' son. They lived in Twin Falls right by...

TW: Are you talking about Idaho?

TI: Yeah, Idaho. I mean, they moved there during the war just to be close to the, the congregation from Seattle. Because most of them went to Minidoka.

TW: Oh, I see.

TI: But yeah, he was going back and forth a lot, so this connection to Tule Lake I wasn't aware of until today.

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