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PW: I did mean to also ask you this other question that before your father's family left Rohwer, I know there was an incident, that your grandfather, the Reverend Yamazaki, was well-known within the community, but there was an incident that happens in Rohwer.

PY: Yeah, he was severely beaten. It was like... various levels of resisters, just kind of... so my grandfather was kind of, you would say probably leadership of people who felt their role as Japanese Americans was to totally support the American government despite the fact that they were all incarcerated in these concentration camps. And he was always vocal about that, and there was people who were vociferous on the other side of the thing, whether they felt that they were Japanese nationalists, which there were some, and then there were some people who just felt that their civil rights had been violated and were really pissed off righteously about that. So the "no-nos" had, there was like a lot of different currents within all the various "no-nos." So I'm not specifically clear which faction was responsible for the beating of my grandfather, but my dad did get, I think he got emergency leave to visit at that point. Because he did visit at that point after the beating.

PW: There was, it has been captured by the painter Henry Sugimoto. Have you ever seen that painting?

PY: I have seen that painting.

PW: I didn't know, I didn't put the two together until I read your father's oral history. So I'm going to skip back again to your parents had gotten married when your father... and she's still in New York, but you're saying that she's moving around to these different bases?

PY: Yeah. So they're married now, and so she's going where service brides often do, just kind of followed the flag, as it were.

PW: Right, and she couldn't bring family with her, so she's by herself.

PY: Yes.

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