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VY: But your brother, it sounds like, that was kind of like his life's work?

MM: Yes, and I think that's why he got sick because he was being attacked all the time. When one of the people he was working with taking as a doctor, going to his clinic, they decided when they were bringing charges against Dennis Peron, that they were going to talk, look at Tod. So anybody that parked in front of Tod's house, the police did a background check on. What a state the United States is in when the police can just decide anybody's parked in front of your place, they're doing to do a background check on. He found it only because (Dennis Peron's) trial record showed that.

VY: What ultimately happened with all of that? Like what would you like people to know about your brother in relation to that kind of work that he did?

MM: Oh. I think... I mean, I would ask him, "Where did you go this time?" And he said, "Well, I went to Hawaii for this man who had a garage, and he was using cannabis." And so he said, he spoke on the man's behalf and told him why he needed (cannabis). And he said, and the judge was taking (notes) and asking for clarification because there is no information on, accurate information about what medical marijuana does and how many treatments. And so his list of these five hundred or so things that it worked for, it's completely unknown to anybody. All they know is what the government says, and it is... which is wrong. And that's why, that's one of the things that came about from this. And just the idea of how medical marijuana, or even recreational marijuana, there is never a barroom fight with marijuana because it calms you down. So there are all these aggressive things that comes out with alcohol, which is allowed. Yet not for marijuana, (which) makes you go to sleep or something like that.

So there are many more benefits. (Tod) was the psychiatrist at Gladman Hospital here in Oakland, and he had one patient for alcoholism whose son came to visit. She had a nervous (distressed) every time he came because their relationship was so tense. So she had marijuana, so she used that instead of alcohol on this. And so when they had their weekly alcoholics get-together, she reported what happened from marijuana. So he said now, from now on, use marijuana instead of alcohol and see what happens. And so some of the other people in the group started using marijuana, and it is psychically relaxing and enables them to remember what the situation was and (,,,) they could work on the therapy, not just the alcoholism. And this is what he learned from that one patient who ran out of alcohol and had to substitute marijuana. But he was involved with... what do you call them? You put this thing on your head and you reduce your heart rate and everything. I forget what it's called now, but it's a way of...

VY: Biofeedback?

MM: That's what it is, he was a biofeedback doctor. And was very interesting with Dad, he could put 'em on Dad and Dad was his, almost his best patient, and able to do these controls. And I think, I said, this is what I think. When I go to Japan, you see all these little holes in the shoji screen, this white paper, and then all these little holes in there from the children. So then they put butterflies on it, so there's a lot of butterflies on the bottom of these screens. Well, you learn in Japan, if somebody's on the other side of this screen talking, you do not hear them. There is mind control built into the Japanese way of life, so they do not year the other person talking. And I know that's true because my girlfriend and I are talking, and we're doing wallpaper and everything in the other room, and didn't hear a thing.

VY: It's like a discipline, right? You discipline yourself to just sort of not hear what you're not supposed to hear?

MM: Well, you don't hear because the door is shut, and it's a Japanese thing. Because, you know, their houses have so many screens in them, yes. And I know it works because he does not hear a thing if he decides that he's not supposed to hear it, and I know that's from his past. But I see it in Japan, too, when I'm visiting. It's just interesting that, how this mind control -- and he's always in his, talking to us, "Control the mind, control your mind." And that's... and we have picked up a saying from one of Dad's things that we like is, "All talk and no do," that's (about) keeping your promises. "All talk and no do." [Laughs] So we get a lot of learning lessons from him.

VY: Yeah, I can tell, I can tell. And I think that your, the work that your brother did is just another example of this sort of family, sort of, drive and commitment to just doing what you think is right and not being deterred by other stories that people say, tell other people, tell everybody else, or misinformation. You all just kind of move forward and do what you know is right, you just don't let anybody talk you out of it.

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