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VY: You know, before we wrap everything up today, first of all, I just want to thank you so much for coming here today and sharing your story and your life and all of your insights. And I guess one last question I have is I wonder if you, do you still feel like an outsider and do you think it's important to continue to talk about the past?

KI: Yeah. You know, one of the things I sort of always admired about Jews in Europe, being outsiders, is that they were, they brought to the table intellectual stimulation, different ways of looking at issues. Your contribution, being all different forms, poetry and literature. Well, Franz Kafka is an example. So that these outsiders brought stimulation, especially in terms of the enlightenment and in terms of the development of western cultures. And I sympathetically felt a kinship to this tradition even though I'm not a poet or artist. And so the irony is I became a Jew. [Laughs]

VY: That's great. Is there anything else you want to talk about before we end today? We covered a lot.

KI: Well, let me ask you this: did I cover all that you had in mind?

VY: Oh my gosh, so much. I so appreciate it, yes. We talked about so many really important things and current events, too. So I'm very appreciative of that, thank you so much.

KI: Thank you.

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