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TI: Okay. So going back to sports, you were saying the basketball at Collins, football you played at, you called it Dugdale? And that was just sandlot where you guys would just play other teams, or was it an organized football?

VI: That was just kind of a place where if we organized a game, logical place to play. And we played tackle football with no equipment when we were kids.

TI: So when you played that, were you playing with boys the same age as you?

VI: About the same age.

TI: Okay. And then talk about baseball, because you played a lot of baseball, too. Where did you play baseball?

VI: Well, we started playing baseball on Jackson, I mean, on Washington and Sixth Avenue where the brothels were.

TI: Okay.

VI: When we were little kids, we used to play there.

TI: But then later on you got more into organized baseball. And where did you play that?

VI: We were... I think we were too young to really play the organized baseball. Because we had the Courier League, and I can't remember that part over there.

TI: Well, at what point did you start playing with older boys, sports? Because I know a lot of your friends are older, and some of them came from sports. I'm just curious...

VI: I always played with older boys, so they thought I was much older than I was.

TI: So what sports and when did that start, playing with older boys? Like when you think about... I think a lot of it was with baseball.

VI: Baseball.

TI: Did that happen later in camp, or was that even before the war that you played with these older boys?

VI: I must have played before the war. Because when we got to camp, I played with the OT teams which was much older.

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