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BN: And then, did you have, you must have had children also.

RO: Yeah, I have two who are now thirty-six and thirty-one.

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BN: Right, same general field.

RO: Yeah. It's the same field, but it's totally different now, because changes have happened. So he did very well. He's kind of like me, the kind of work that he does, and our daughter is kind of like my wife doing not-for-profit things.

BN: Where does she work?

RO: I can't remember the name of that company. It's not a company, it's a...

BN: Nonprofit.

RO: Nonprofit, yeah. She enjoys it.

BN: Do you have grandchildren?

RO: Not with them, no. Well, my son is married, and my daughter hasn't yet gotten married. But he and his wife decided they didn't want children, which really ticked me off, but what can I do, right? [Laughs]

BN: You can't make them.

RO: No. Instead they got a dog.

BN: Well, sometimes people change their minds later.

RO: I hope so, yeah.

BN: Are they nearby?

RO: They're both, he's down in San Diego, and she's the other side of... she's in Hollywood, basically in Hollywood. So that's close enough.

BN: Yeah, close enough.

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