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TI: So let's move on then, because I know you were really young, so I was not expecting much. How about the ship ride from Peru to the United States? Do you remember any of that?

GN: Yeah, I remember, not boarding the ship, but I remember being in the ship and the room that we were in. I remember there were seven of us in one room, I remember that. And we were all seasick, it was terrible, I'm sure. And I remember roaming around the ship and kind of was able to peek outside, and I can see the soldier standing guard with the rifle or whatever he had on his shoulder.

TI: That's interesting. I'm thinking a soldier with a rifle, you're on a ship, I wonder, what were they doing? Were they worried that you would go places you weren't supposed -- I'm trying to think where you would go and why they would have that? Or maybe it's to keep the men in a certain area? Because I know they kept the men away from the...

GN: Oh, yeah, they separated my father and the oldest brother.

TI: Yeah, so maybe that made sense to keep them under guard so they couldn't roam.

GN: Right, right. And I don't know that we're guarding so he wouldn't do anything. And I remember going to the, what do you call that, mess hall or cafeteria, I remember I peeked in there.

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TI: Okay, so we were on the ship and you talked about roaming around, you remember the mess hall?

GN: Yeah, the mess hall, they were, I remember they had some kind of dessert like a pudding, I remember that, I don't know why, but it was a yellow pudding. I don't know whether I ate it or not, but I remember that.

TI: So you were well enough, you were not seasick enough so you could actually go up there and eat food? I've been seasick, and sometimes food is the last thing you want.

GN: Yeah, I guess after a while, after you get sick, then everything else is okay after that, your sickness is gone. But that's about it, I can't remember anything else that happened on the ship.

TI: You mentioned the room that your mother and your sisters and brothers were in. Can you remember that room very much?

GN: No, I don't.

TI: I'm just trying to think how the seven of you could actually sleep in such tight quarters.

GN: No, I don't remember that at all.

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