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AI: Well, now then some time along during this period after the war, well you had established your dressmaking business, you got your first house, and then after a while you and Jack decided to have another child.

KM: Uh-huh. Well see, one of my good neighbors when we, the first house, they said, "You know, Jack and Kay, are you gonna have another child?" So we told her what happened to us, you know what happened to me. And I said, "We just, we're kinda leery about going through that again." And she said, "You know, John has a lot of markings of an only child." And I said, "What is a marking of an only child?" She said, "Well, he's kinda spoiled." [Laughs] Well naturally, you know, he was saved, you know the doctor gave up on him and he was saved. So we had a tendency to kinda, you know. And so said, "Is that right?" "Have you ever seen a spoiled child?" And I said, "Yes." I said, "I don't see anything so spoiled about him." [Laughs] And then we got to thinking, "Well, maybe." So then John wanted to have friends because he was five by then. And I thought, "Well, maybe we should." And so I thought, "Well, maybe if we go to a good doctor and get myself examined real good, and I follow his instructions, then I won't have such a bad time." But the mistake that we made was, here again we didn't know any Caucasian doctor or any specialists, and all we knew was a Japanese doctor that Jack was acquainted with and he was just a GP. And he felt that well, says -- he knew what kind of a labor I had before, and he had, I had to go to him for half year to get treated because of the labor. And so he said, "It won't happen again." And so he was supposedly supposed to be very careful, and I was supposed to have followed the instruction. But the baby wasn't, it was quite a bit smaller, and yet the labor was kinda prolonged again. And they finally had to cut me, not butcher me, but it still wouldn't come out. And my neigh -- another lady that was having a baby at same time, she came way after I did, and she had the baby before I did. And I said, "Oh," I said to the doctor, "Is it gonna happen again like I had in camp?" And he said, "No, we won't let it happen." But I guess he must've thought that I'm still gonna have a hard time. So again, he put me under and took by forcep.

AI: And when was Paul born?

KM: Paul was born on October 20, 1940 -- 1950, five years apart. Five years and two years, two weeks, I guess. So, but I'm so glad because they both have each other, and they're such, they're just like Max and Reid. They're so good to each other. But they never were in the same school together because the five years' difference.

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