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BN: Before we... go back a little, we kind of skipped over the Berkeley stuff. But this is a good transition. When you came across Bosworth, this is kind of later in your Berkeley life. From UCLA, then, you transferred to Berkeley in, you mentioned, the fall of '64, right? During the Free Speech movement. So you'd completed one year at UCLA, right?

AN: Yes.

BN: So you were coming in as a sophomore, second year? So can you talk a little bit about that transition?

AN: Yeah, so it was an interesting transition. One is that I only knew one person at Berkeley and that was it.

BN: Your sister was, remained in UCLA? She told you to go to Berkeley?

AN: She suggested I should continue.

BN: She didn't do that herself.

AN: She didn't have a good experience at UCLA, so she goes, "Don't continue at UCLA."

BN: But she remained there.

AN: Yeah, she remained there. And then from my first semester, I didn't like... it was just too, I didn't feel comfortable. You were kind of pigeonholed into being kind of, I felt, this kind of JA scene, and just felt real limited to where I wanted to be. So it kind of fed my need to transfer to Berkeley. I didn't know anyone there. It was particularly traumatic because on the drive up to Berkeley, I had my car, which was a very important part of who I was. I had managed, with my dad helping me, I got a... it was called a Corvair, which was a pretty cool car in those days.

BN: Unsafe at any speed. [Laughs]

AN: Yeah, right. That fact, I learned the hard way what that meant, because on the drive up to Berkeley with my mom and dad in the car and all my belongings, on the way up, I cracked up on the freeway. And it was related to "unsafe at any speed" because it was so wide. And so this car cut in front of me, and I was partially falling asleep, so then I moved to miss it, and then the car flipped out. And so it flipped out, and so we ended up on an offramp. Fortunately, it just rolled on some ivy at the time, near Santa Barbara, and we ended up okay. But then so I had to take my suitcase and catch a bus from Santa Barbara to Berkeley, and then my mom and dad took a bus to go back home. And so I ended up taking a bus up to Berkeley, I ended up in Berkeley at the bus station at eleven o'clock at night. I called the place that I was supposed to be staying, and so I had to walk, I think, about four miles with my suitcase, and get there at, like, midnight. No one's there, so I just kind of sit there. So anyway, it was a very traumatic time, but I got used to it. So that was my transition.

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