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BF: Were there also, I assume there must have been people opposed to redress who came to these hearings?

WM: Oh, sure.

BF: Well, how much, on average, was there? Was it still sort of overwhelmed by the...

WM: Yeah, I think so. I think many people thought that...

BF: Were there any particularly memorable opponents who stood out?

WM: Well, Hayakawa was said to be one of them -- Senator Hayakawa from California was opposed to redress. I guess there were other people who were, but I hadn't, I hadn't heard from many of them.

BF: I assume that probably some of these folks were a bit intimidated from coming to these public hearings.

WM: They may have been, I've heard that, but I don't know that to be a fact.

BF: I assume that there must have been some discussions with, well, I guess I should ask, were there any commission members who stayed somewhat opposed to redress along the way? I'm thinking of...

WM: Well, Daniel Lungren is on record as being opposed to redress, yeah.

BF: And did you and him have discussions, heart-to-hearts?

WM: Well, I wouldn't say much discussion. We did have... he voiced his difference with me. And he and I had some friction, nothing serious. But I knew that he was opposed to it, and I was in favor of it, of course, as were the other (seven) commissioners.

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