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[Translated from Japanese]

I2: Could you talk about the time you arrived in Tule Lake from Jerome?

TY: There was an American flag fluttering in the camp. We told them it was wrong to have the American flag in the segregation camp. That place was for those who were loyal to the Japanese government and trying to live as Japanese. It would make sense to have the flag if in a camp for those who pledge allegiance to the U.S. government. We don't want the flag in the place where we will live. Pull the flag down or we will not get off the train.

I2: Did you say that?

TY: Yes. After about half an hour or one hour, I would say half an hour, after negotiation, they agreed to pull the flag down. We agreed to get off the train. I heard that we were the only group that was successful in pulling the flag down, even though other groups made the same attempt before I had arrived.

I2: What do you mean by us? Mr. Kai and you?

TY: Yes, the group from Jerome.

I1: That's amazing that they actually pulled the flag down. It would have been almost unthinkable if it had been in Japan.

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