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TI: Okay, so after a month, then where did you go?

KG: We went to Tule Lake.

TI: And how did you go from Walerga to Tule Lake?

KG: By train.

TI: And any memories of that journey going up there, the train ride?

KG: Uh-uh.

TI: Okay, so you go up to Tule Lake, you get off the train, and what are your first impressions of that area?

KG: Well, just a bunch of barracks. Barracks and barracks and barracks.

TI: Now when you and your family were there, were you one of the first there, or were you sort of in the middle?

KG: About the middle. I really don't... there were people there already.

TI: And so I grew up in the Seattle area and a lot of people from this area, thousands outside of Seattle, like Bellevue, Kent, Auburn valley, all of them went to, first, Pinedale, and then to Tule Lake. And I'm just curious, did you recall from where people came from? Like did you know that some people came from Washington state, and some people came from Sacramento?

KG: In Tule Lake there were, yeah, different areas. The people from Washington were over across the firebreak, and the Sacramento people were pretty much within the same ward. The only distinction were some people were country people. We lived in the city, and then there were the country people, and they were farmers, and there was some distinction other than that. Nothing special, but...

TI: Well, yeah, most of the people probably from Washington... well, let me think about this. So it was a lot of farmers, but also people from Tacoma went there, too. So you had some city people, but a lot of farming people also, so you had a mixture. In Sacramento was it the same, where you had city people and farming people?

KG: Yeah, more or less. The farm actually, even the farm people went to Sacramento High. They came by car, actually, and so we thought of them as a different group of people. There were the city people and the country people, it seems.

TI: So how were those dynamics? Did people get along pretty well, city people?

KG: Yeah, there was never any problem. Within the camp, you mean? There was no problem.

TI: How about the differences or relationships between Sacramento people and Washington people?

KG: We really didn't have a whole lot of contact with each other, because they were in a different part of the camp. Well, there were eighteen thousand people in Tule Lake, that's a lot of people.

TI: Right, yeah, so I was just curious. So it was like a whole different little area that just didn't see as much.

KG: Uh-huh. We really didn't have much to do with them.

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