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TI: And then you mentioned earlier how, I'm not sure if it's here or maybe a little bit late, where you said they separated the Kibei for the trip? So you can talk about that?

CH: Oh, that's in Tule Lake.

TI: Okay, in Tule Lake.

CH: So by the time we got to Arboga, I don't know if they started there or not, I have no idea. It's just that when we got to Tule Lake, they put us on a train in Sacramento, and they went to Klamath Falls, and then we had to get on the bus at Klamath Falls and go into Tule Lake. And when we got to Tule Lake, they told us -- and we all had a number -- so they told us, they gave us barrack numbers, I think, at that time, because our family was six, they gave us the end room of this barrack. and so it was one of the larger rooms. And at that time, I think it was at that time, maybe a little bit later when they start... well, but I remember the Kibeis were standing on one side, side of the room, side of the barracks. When I say Kibei, I meant single guys, they all looked like they were from Japan, I mean, more Japanese type, they weren't Americanized. They were talking in Japanese.

TI: But they were sort of singled out.

CH: Singled out.

TI: And were they then put in a different place, or do you remember what they did there?

CH: Well, I think they shipped... I don't know. From there they were gone, so I don't know.

TI: But you noticed early on that there was...

CH: They put 'em on the last, when I heard that Moriyamas told me... I remember in San Francisco, their friend, diplomats had to go, they did kind of mention the Kibeis, too, but I'm not sure that that bunch went. But I think the Kibeis were shipped. Because already the Pacific was already mined by the Japanese, so they can't put any ships out there, so they had to take it from New York.

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