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TI: So you're talking about Gordon Hirabayashi.

RD: Yes, Gordon Hirabayashi, earlier. But he was here then, and largely spending time in Seattle working with various people in the community, going to meetings, and I tagged along with him, and we got fairly close. We went to a lot of meetings together and I learned a great deal of the skepticism and the division, of course, in Seattle. Seattle was full of people who had very different ideas about how redress should be run. Still mutter about it. But that was an important learning experience. I think I went to... I would say for a whole quarter.

TI: Well, and during that time -- and we can talk more about the Seattle group around redress a little bit later -- but you also did a very important oral history with Gordon. Because I remember it in the Special Collections at University of Washington.

RD: Yes. And I've just been approached by a commercial publisher for a short biography for a mass market paperback -- a mass academic market paperback -- for which they want to have a website full of whistles and bells and this sort of thing. We've had some informal discussions, I have to get some other things straightened out first.

TI: And this would be about Gordon Hirabayashi?

RD: Yes, it would be. As a matter of fact, I've already got an outline for it in my mind, and I want to call it, at this time, Ancestry is Not a Crime.

TI: Which is a term...

RD: "The Life of Gordon K" -- it's in quotation marks -- "Life of Gordon K. Hirabayashi." And this will not be a long book.

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